Hi Ben, the important thing to get are 13WL castings. The rear shoes are *suppossed* to adjust automatically with the parking brake, but a lot of times they get gunked up and don't adjust as they should. Should no 199s be available, that selfsame parts department can order you loaded 231mm Tundra calipers and the matching rotors right out of stock, and youll have brand new hardware with a warranty. If you'd like to see how to replace the rear brakes, check out Step by Step Tacoma Rear Drum Brake Shoe Replacement (also 4Runner). This effect would reduce the performance and increase the wear. Shearing of the film during friction is an effective source of friction force. You are welcome to come over and try on my truck - later today, THU or FRI night or next weekend. Hey Leon, It's hard to know exactly what's going on. With the Tundra upgrade, your pedal will go down further than it did prior to the upgrade. http://www.toyota-4runner.org/3rd-gen-t4rs/94923-hard-find-specs-info-measurements-231mm-13wl-tundra-calipers-rotors.html I run them on my 2000 4Runner. When bleeding the brakes, do you not have to also bleed the load sensing proportioning valve as well? 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Having seemingly just started, the job of removing the old components is nearly done! Or give them to him for free. If it was, Toyota would have done that from the factory. Any of the following will work just fine and are all generally remanufactured by Cardone: or 13WE calipers from another parts store. For me, it's rubbed one of six times. The problem is I can't find any good data on whether the wheel I have will fit. (or 3rd gen 4Runner). Not only is the AdventureTaco the definitive resource for Tundra brake conversions, but the customer service post-sale is unmatched anywhere. As far as stepping on the brake pedal - I never had a problem stopping once with Tacoma brakes, it was the prolonged braking that I was after. The Tundra calipers are longer (and wider to accommodate the thicker rotor) so they have more brake pad area to grab the rotor. Install the bottom pin that secures the pads to the caliper by sliding it through holes that align on the two components. Be careful to compress the pot straight in, not at an angle. This will likely be evident if you regularly drive down steep grades or tow. Once finger tight, use a 10mm flare nut wrench to tighten securely, but do not over tighten the flare nut. Then, cut that bit off and hit it with a bit of spray paint to prevent rust. 2. Gather these up and you'll be good to go. All things 3rd generation 4runner! The links in the post above will get you exactly what you need and you can also use this guide to follow along step by step. With the clip removed, complete removal of the soft line from the hard line. Do it until there is no air coming out, and then bleed at least 3-5 more cycles. After the second cycle, the pedal will become noticeably firmer. Check out the link in my signature below about the 231mm brakes. Locate the bracket that holds the soft brake line (and ABS line if equipped) to the spindle. Note: alternatively, if you want to buy a kit that contains rotors, calipers, and pads, you can purchase one from either Callahan or Power Stop. To Toyotas credit, the new 231mm caliper and pad combo worked much better. and her upgraded tundra brakes. }); Fit perfectly with my 3 lift. The Fn 5 stars, for the 4Runner. I am replacing my hubs, bearings, spindles, CVs, etc. No matter, swaps on. Published in T4R Build; experienced on 2019-04-01, Yes, Tundra brakes are only added to the front. Help! Of course, other vendors sell stainless steel lines, but they charge way too much money. For all the details, check out this step-by-step guide (with pics) on the upgrade. I would think that Tundra dust shields would be just fine. Bleeding both of these components is *very* difficult for the typical DIYer, so the only real solution if this happens is to take it to Toyota, where they have special actuators that cycle these components during bleeding, to get the air out. Use the 12mm or 14mm socket (year specific) that was previously removed to re-attach the bracket to the spindle. Some Toyota tech or gearhead probably held up a Tundra brake caliper to a 4Runner bracket, or noticed the 4Runner and Tundra rotors were the same diameter. That seems to rub sometimes / for some people - but not for others. You can find Dremel-friendly cutoff discs at the swaps. It sandwich goes pad - slotted shim - a little grease - solid shim - a little grease. I would buy over and over again. I did this upgrade myself a couple years ago and looking back, it should've been the very first upgrade on my 2000 T4R. This is the only part of the process that's different on the 4Runner than the Tacoma - the 4Runner has a hard line into the brake caliper where the Tacoma uses a soft line. Note 3: Depending on the pads you are using, the brakes may begin to fade slightly after the 7th or 8th near-stop. Then I had this nice little sandwich that I could slide into the caliper. Awesome product supported by excellent customer service. In this video I show you how I performed Toyota Tundra disc brake upgrade on my 3rd gen Toyota 4Runner. Dan was also super helpful with my questions and helped explain the different caliper options as well why he chooses the OEM brake pads. Note: alternatively, if you want to buy a kit that contains rotors, calipers, and pads, you can purchase one from Callahan. Required fields are marked *, 4Runner Stainless Brake Lines (works with stock calipers or Tundra Brake Upgrade). View more videos on my channel. Thanks. Note2: Make sure to install the caliper so the bleeder valve is on the top half of the caliper for proper bleeding. If it's the ABS, it should be a pulsating that you can feel in the pedal (rather than what I would call a "release and reapply," which sounds to me more like letting off and then pressing the brake again). Not sure how else to explain it . (or 3rd gen 4Runner) Hope that helps, but please do post what wheels you're planning to use! jQuery(document).ready(function() { Identifying gen-one Tundra calipers: the 199 has S13WE stamped on it, while the 231 wears 13WL. The Tundra rotor didnt change post-recall and is the same diameter as on a 4Runner, but the Tundra rotor is at least 5mm thicker than the 4Runners. My suspicion is that they have larger brakes already. Please see terms for details. 3rd Gen 4Runner Parts Marketplace (1996-2002) 2nd Gen 4Runner Parts Marketplace (1990-1995) 1st Gen 4Runner Parts Marketplace (1984-1989) 4Runners For Sale; . Also Dan reached out to me personally to make sure I didnt have any problems with install. You can learn how to clean them (so the parking brake adjustment will work), and adjust them manually, here (note: you don't have to replace them, but the write-up covers that as well). Have a catch basin or shop rags positioned below the bleeder to catch brake fluid that comes out of the bleeder, or fit a clear plastic tube over the bleeder that funnels the brake fluid into a container, in order to keep things clean. 340k and counting. It just slides right on over the studs, and you should secure it - finger tight only - with two lug nuts, so you can get the caliper installed more easily. Pretty easy to do. Also, a lot of Napa's (out west at least) no longer carry (or ship) the Eclipse line, but the Adaptive One are just fine too! When I took it as an opportunity to ask a question, I received a response back within an hour with a detailed and thought out (and very helpful) response specific to my question. Dan is the man! You can access that page here: Which Wheels/Rims Fit the Tundra Brake Upgrade (13WL 231mm rotors) on a Tacoma? In this video I show you how I performed Toyota Tundra disc brake upgrade on my 3rd gen Toyota 4Runner. I purchased the stainless steel brake cables from Adventure Taco and very happy with with them. Using a 10mm flare nut wrench, loosen but do not disconnect, the connection between the hard and soft brake lines at the frame. Additionally, his blog is very informative and helpful and his customer service is outstanding. I dont think itll be too much of an issue Tim, Ive known many guys who completely remove the dust shield and seem to be just fine. You should also hear the ABS system "pulsing" if it's ABS, and the pulsing should continue for a second or so if you let off the brake pedal completely. I need to do the tundra brake upgrade but i have to tackle the stupid/expensive 01-02 abs/master cylinder first. Burn off volatiles and moisture from the resin that is near pad surface. and our Slide the pad/shim assembly into the caliper, next to the rotor. Dewhel Black 2x Aluminum Rear Window Latch Hinge Pivots For 95-04 Tacoma 00-06 Tundra Xtracab. Though I have yet to install the kit (and I have no doubt it will work perfectly), the customer service experience has been outstanding. Thank you, Any other recommendations ? 16. NOCO Boost Plus GB40 1000 Amp 12-Volt UltraSafe Lithium Jump Starter Box, Car Battery Booster Pack, Portable Power Bank Charger, and Jumper Cables for up to 6-Liter Gasoline and 3-Liter Diesel Engines. Are you getting it when you let off the brakes, or something else? 3rd Gen 4Runner Parts Marketplace (1996-2002) 2nd Gen 4Runner Parts Marketplace (1990-1995) . You can contact the manufacturer and they'll usually ship you some springs, or you can head to the local parts store and pick some up; generally, they aren't very expensive. Yeah I've read a lot of of the threads on the T4R forum. This page has a searchable list of the wheels that are known to work with the Tundra Brake Upgrade, and also lists whether spacers are needed to make the wheel fit the calipers: Which Wheels/Rims Fit the Tundra Brake Upgrade (13WL 231mm rotors) on a Tacoma? Does it mean you can push it farther than you expect to push it? Once I'd done that, it was a simple matter of installing the spring clamps to hold them in place and then using the flare nut wrench to re-attach the hard brake line to the caliper and the 12mm socket to reattach the brake line bracket to the spindle. 4Runner Front Stainless Steel Brake Lines, Step-by-Step Replacing Rear Axle Seal & Bearing w/ABS (1st gen Tacoma or 3rd gen 4Runner), Which Wheels/Rims Fit the Tundra Brake Upgrade (13WL 231mm rotors) on a Tacoma? Tighten securely, but do not over tighten the flare nut. With a 17mm socket, the next step is to remove the two bolts that hold the brake caliper to the hub. UltimateYota.com - Bolt-On Tundra Brake Upgrade for 96-02 4Runners. Seems the tundra brakes are the same size as the bigger 4runner brakes. In the process of updating my 2004 Tacoma's brakes with the 231mm Tundra package.Have acquired the following. If it ain't a third gen, it's a turd gen. Advertisement Coins. The easiest part - of course - is putting on the new rotor. Available with Gray, Red, or Blue stainless steel lines. This may not be entirely necessary in all cases, but is good insurance to ensure a good break-in. I'd like to do the 231mm but don't want to use spacers or grind wheels. 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As for whether you need the new lines or not - when you do the Tundra upgrade, you're introducing a caliper (13WL or 13WE) with more internal volume than the stock calipers. Install, drive, and smile. 0 coins. Can you clarify the Napa eclipse part #s? But since I've put miles on mine and the brake in period is over it's amazing what a difference it makes. I've found a couple that will work but have yet to knock it out. I just did the upgrade and the new brakes are great, your brakeline kit worked perfect. Just what I needed to complete my Tundra upgrade. The rotors are wider by 8mm or so. You just have to trim the dust shield. What wheels are you running (or planning to run?) Feel free to shout if you need a brake line kit! In my experience, the calipers mount directly to the hub/spindle, and both the OEM calipers and Tundra (13WL or 13WE) calipers mount to the same holes. if you have the OE 6 spoke wheels you need to get the 199mm calipers (WG). (or 3rd gen 4Runner). I just did this upgrade on my 3rd Gen Hilux Surf. There is something for everyone. Cookie Notice 12mm - to remove the brake line from the bracket on the spindle. I need to replace my front brakes so figured I would upgrade. Great customer service, products, and step by step guide on how to replace them. Have a second person sit in the driver seat and pump the brake pedal until it is firm - usually a few pumps. Hey Bryan did you end up upgrading the booster? Glad to get together, but there is a ton of info about 16" vs 199mm vs 231mm tundra brakes with stock wheels. I installed this kit as part of the Tundra Brake Upgrade for 3rd Gen 4Runners (1996-2002) on my 1997 Toyota 4Runner SR5 4x4 . Zooming through the last few steps, it was time to put the new brake pads in and secure them. Need some clips to secure your stainless steel brake lines to a frame or spindle bracket? 2 Remanufactured Tundra 13WL calipers. Re-install the wheels and secure with lug nuts. 3rd gen 4Runner Tundra brake upgrade. Thanks Dan!! This is reasonably straight forward for the most part. rotors, and pads) with that of a 1st generation Toyota Tundra (2000-2006). 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If you try the 213mm calipers on a the 6 spoke OE wheels you will have to grind away at the back side of the wheels to accept the larger 213mm caliper. Looking into swapping my 4runner but want to make sure I get it right. Any wrenchers in the Asheville area??? Glad to hear the upgrade went well Josh! I love supporting smaller businesses like this because they also go above and beyond the competition, Travis Simmerman Hey Michael, sorry for the slow reply, I've been out exploring in Utah the last several days. These are great lines: (T4R: Too much brake fluid leaked out when doing the upgrade. ( 21 customer reviews) $ 59.99 - $ 74.99. At any rate - I got started as I always do - I assembled the parts and tools that I'd need. Well, for once, I wasn't feeling that way! any ideas? Using the supplied grease, spread a thin layer on both sides of the slotted shim, and on the outside of the solid shim. -Toyota 1.25" Thick Wheel Spacers from spidertrax.com. Any suggestion will be helpful. It's borderline dangerous. For anyone who purchases calipers and doesn't get the little Clips that are spread the pads apart, there are a couple options: 1. Both do a much better job hauling 3900 lbs. This is because the 13WE and 13WL calipers use a larger volume of brake fluid, so more needs to be pushed into the system by the pedal. that's awesome. Rotate the caliper several times to check for clearance of the dust shield by listening for rubbing/grinding. 3rd Gen 4Runner Parts Marketplace (1996-2002) 2nd Gen 4Runner Parts Marketplace (1990-1995) . I still have my stock calipers on the front , only changed the brake lines. Thanks for making this so clean and easy to follow, much appreciated! 1st Gen (1995-2004) 2nd Gen (2005-2021) 3rd Gen (Present) Land Cruiser. Gen 3 Toyota 4Runner Tundra Brake Swap: Off-Road.com. Looking forward to getting these installed on the T4R. They reached out to me the day after I ordered my brake lines. I installed this kit as part of the Tundra Brake Upgrade for 3rd Gen 4Runners (1996-2002) on my 1997 Toyota 4Runner SR5 4x4. jQuery('#' + elementId).toggle('slow'); (or 3rd gen 4Runner), Step by Step Tacoma Rear Drum Brake Shoe Replacement (also 4Runner), https://adventuretaco.com/product/4runner-stainless-steel-brake-lines-for-tundra-brake-upgrade/, https://adventuretaco.com/guide/step-by-step-tundra-brake-upgrade-on-a-tacoma-or-4runner/#bedding, https://adventuretaco.com/guide/step-by-step-tacoma-rear-drum-brake-shoe-replacement-also-4runner/, Toyota OEM Anti-Rattle Spring for 13WE, 13WL (47748-35010). The best braking occurs when there is an even layer of pad material deposited across the face of the rotors. function toggle(elementId) { This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register. '01 Tundra Brakes installed on '98 Gen 3 4Runner - YotaTech Forums. Ask me why. I've bled the brakes numerous times and have settled that it's the brake booster. 2000 4Runner Limited upgraded with Power Stop KC2324 brake kit. Another option is spacers, but the trim on the dust shield looks pretty easy - not sure, you may need to trim anyway. Hell, it could have been planned all along by Toyota, or parts were used across truck lines to save costs. Proceed to the next step. See, I'd done this twice before - once on the Tacoma, and on Mike's (@Digiratus) Tacoma. My account of pedal difference with 231's installed was minimum. I wasnt able to find it in the reading. The performance of a fresh rotor/fresh pad system would be inconsistent. I just watched a video where a guy did the same swap out but also used this, } Brake Lines; Wheels; Suspension Parts; Suspension Lifts; ROOF RACKS; STORAGE SOLUTIONS; 4Runner. Jan 28, 2021 at 12:53 PM #3 #3. After doing this work on both my 1st gen Tacoma and 3rd gen 4Runner, as well as helping several friends with their brake upgrades, I figured that it was worthwhile to put together a step-by-step guide for the process in order to share some of the tips and tricks I've learned over the years. With all the parts removed, there's one step before installation of the new parts - and that's cutting the dust shield a bit so that the new rotor and calipers fit. Very important to go stainless steel once you have the larger caliper so that you dont get sponge brakes. So, I do notice a difference - there's a lot more braking going on, but that wasn't my reason for the upgrade (or the reason I recommend to others). This is my next upgrade but was spinning in research trying to figure out if I needed to run the smaller rotor size that some suggest with tundra upgrade. Easy to install and paired well with my Tundra upgraded calipers on my 3rd Gen 4runner. Remove the lug nuts securing one of the front wheels. When we bought it, the previous owner mentioned that the brakes were the worst thing on the vehicle. It will work but from previous experience the 4Runner operates better when you flip it around. So, there's a lot of info/questions that come to mine with your comment Changing to stainless steel brake lines with your stock calipers shouldn't generally be necessary, since the rubber lines were designed to work with the stock calipers. Fabtech 6"). Published in Q & A; experienced on 2019-08-19. If it's a darker green or grey or blue - that discoloring means that it's saturated with water (which it picks up from the atmosphere). They shipped almost immediately after I ordered them and I received then a couple days later. 4th Gen 4Runner Parts Marketplace (2003-2009) 3rd Gen 4Runner Parts Marketplace (1996-2002) 2nd Gen 4Runner Parts Marketplace (1990-1995) 1st Gen 4Runner Parts Marketplace (1984-1989) . All that was left was to bleed the lines - something that @mrs.turbodb was happy to help with. They came factory on the Sports and I believe the 5th gens run the same setup. When you are bleeding the brakes, you are technically supposed to bleed the BPV, however unless youve done something to the rears, Ive never had the need. If you're here looking for how to install Tundra 13WL or 13WE brakes on a 3rd gen 4Runner, you can read how I did it on this particular day, but the more useful page for you will probably be this guide: Step by Step Tundra Brake Upgrade on a Tacoma (or 4Runner). I have a 2000 T4R and upgraded all lines to SS but my pedal is still "soft". Gender: Male. Torque the bolts to90 ft-lbs. Ill try adding a picture. Hey Eric, The Napa descriptions are just wrong/inconsistent on their page. Would wheel spacers eliminate the need for grinding the wheels? That seems to rub sometimes / for some people - but not for others. Sure you don't want some ber cool 17" wheels? And soon, so were the 4Runner wheels. For more information, please see our Or, do what I did - stack them in the garage and hope to forget about them in time. . (The other major cause of a soft pedal is not bleeding the brakes correctly after the install. Install the new rotor over the wheel studs with two lug nuts that are just tight enough to secure it to the hub assembly. Remove the rubber vacuum cap from the hard brake line at the frame and finger tighten the flare nut into the stainless steel soft line attached to the frame bracket. So far so good.Check out my build thread! $99.95. Excellent support! When you do this, brake fluid will want to start leaking out, so use a small rubber vacuum cap to seal off the end of the line (Hint: push the fitting up the line so you can get a tight fit on the flared end of the line itself). When going with the bigger calipers and rotors, I am assuming I will not be able to run the standard 16 wheels I have now and will have to get a bigger size? Your email address will not be published. Next, using a 10mm flare nut wrench, remove the hard line from the caliper. I have those wheels no problem. Finished the upgrade today, went with the Napa parts that were listed . Note: Insurance is included for free if you choose Priority Shipping. A service bulletin (back-door recall) was issued for Tundras made through 2002, and lots of 199mm calipers were swapped for a larger, beefier and heavier 231mm unit that was OEM on later 2002 Tundras (as part of the mid-model redesign). The best way to find out for sure is to ask over on TacomaWorld. Brake pedal doesnt seem to be as stiff as before, but doesnt effect braking. The OEM brakes are pretty undersized for the 3rd Gen. 1 set of Toyota Tundra OEM brake pads (L/R: 04465-35290) 1 set of Toyota Tundra OEM brake pad shims (L/R: 04945-35120) Brake lines. Four Bolts, Four Fittings That said, 4Runners are still sloppy stoppers. Water compresses (and boils) much more easily than brake fluid, causing that spongy pedal feel. I debated for several months whether or not I should get it, and it's one of my favorite tool purchases to date. when i am under 10mph, but before the complete stop. The rotors had warped over time and the whole front end wobbled when the brakes were applied - definitely not a fun feeling. Tacoma-to-Tundra Hard Brake Line Upgrade Kit. Great news, thanks for the info! 1st Gen (1995-2004) 2nd Gen (2005-2015) 3rd Gen (2016-Present) Tundra. You do have to move a bit more fluid around with the pedal, so having it be a little different than it was before is totally fine/normal.