Ok so he starts attempting to pull the heart strings about loved ones that you are around daily, and if you are telling them enough about getting saved etc. It bases its belief in the New Testament teaching that every believer is a priest to himself, having full excess to God without the need to go through a church, church leader or priest. Baptists are not Protestants! I can certainly forgive you. 13:17, Acts 20:28, Eph. I hadnt been grounded in the word much. So just these few examples demonstrate why many people, including me have a hard time understanding this ancient translation. After leaving we received a couple phone calls from friends we had made there wondering why we left which my husband explained to them. Many Baptist churches have Trustees, but their position was established in order to have legal signatories to sign legal documents of the church. It is believed that God meant what he said in Revelation 22:18, the Scriptures were not to added to or taken from. I would either be kicked out or asked to put on something to wear. The old testement tithes went to the Levite priests to support them (Numbers 18). I was one of those latter people. John was beheaded by Herod (Matt. It stands for devotion and a strict obedience to God and his commandments. Im not exaggerating when I say that this is physically the hardest and most exhausting day Ive had in years. Also, when only what we do for Christ will last would include contributing to kingdom endeavors. As for the man having the title of pastor was a joke, he couldnt pastor an old lady across the road! (II Peter 1:20) Baptist believe you do not have to be a Baptist in order to be saved and have eternal life, but a person must believe the Gospel as revealed in the New Testament. I see through to the intensions of this site. I feel silly because some of the things I stood up for on this site are the same things that made me leave. 2 Timothy 2:15, Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. But after a long nights toil, they had caught no fish! About this time the Puritans were also becoming strong in England. Here ar ethe key words: ought to have done without leaving the others undone, which would mean that tithing is good. I recently received an email from a lady distraught over leaving the IFB. We do good works (they are only truly good b/c of the bllod of Jesus that justifys us & are perfect through His shed blood). related links: Off the top of my head, I can think of 7-8 divorced couples in our church right now (and we only have around 150 in regular attendance) I grew up in a Catholic church and boarding school, then was taken out and placed into Lutheran surroundings. It was horrible. This is Bible 101 stuff. You place too much value on modern denominational history. These true Baptists added the adjectives Fundamental and Independent to their name in order that they not be identified with the false practices and teaching of the doctrinally unsound churches using the Baptist name. -What about the Jerusalem Council in Acts (I believe I am using the right title here, but I have not check my accuracy)? I have spoken to my pastor about this, and he insists that its fine for me as a parishioner to come as I am, but he as a pastor should be dressed alittle better, I told him if that is a personal conviction that is fine, but did he have any scripture to support that, of course he didnt. I do not agree with the IFB on their viewpoint of strict dress standards. I have absolutely loved listening to your podcast. Any professed church that does not recognize these is Apsotasy & not the Church. The sole authority for any true church is Gods Word and not it founder, or its heritage. Check back often, as were frequently adding new items! Our pastor has NEVER once insinuated that the church ought to obey him. In 1678, shortly after the church had erected a new building, the Puritan controlled government nailed its doors shut and forbade anyone under penalty of the law to enter or worship there. How can we get out of this? I have been around the blogosphere enough to know that there are a lot of people wandering in this wilderness. Sir, I think any Christian should be allowed to wear what they want. We still havent been back and have recently found another church my husband likes and its just okay for me. when the apostle Peter was fishing he stripped and was naked while he was fishing (John 21:7). My husband and I made the decision to leave the IFB about a year ago. Soul liberty is a belief that everyone is responsible to God individually. I have done my share of research on what defines a cult and unless Im missing something, we dont qualify as a such. Also, name of church, you preach at. You CANNOT be loving either if you are refusing to render unto the Lord that which is his, and this includes tithing. Although, they were not as corrupt as the Church of England, they still practiced a strict ritual of church service, a state church, and among other things, infant baptism. He returned to Salem where he was summoned before the court in Boston because of his outspoken beliefs and was banished from the colony. He is much better at it than we are. Some Baptist churches believe in a succession of Baptist churches who passed down the authority to baptize and give the Lords Supper. Even if a church blows the interpretation of verses like this and sets up what you refer to as a hierarchy, I feel you are in error to claim that God has no party with them, see for reference the 7 churches in Revelation which had great things going for them, but Christ had to deal with their errors. If you want to be under law, you need to keep all 613 commandments of the Mosaic law. Greetings, Im sure you realize all this, but I thought I would throw my voice in it. 2 Timothy 2:24, And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient. Giving ten percent to God is a good thing, I agree with that. Throughout my journey I just kept praying keep me near the cross; there was a fear that the further I got from all the rules, the further I was getting from God. In Germany, the state church is Lutheran and in England, the Anglican church, France, the Roman Catholic Church, etc. ), and maybe even stand up and shout if the Lord really touches their heart, Sorry that you had a bad experience, but not all IFB churches are alike, and mine is great! Anderson, Fannin and Shelley traded accusations of financial wrongdoing and running a cult. They called themselves Baptists because that was the best name they could choose to describe what they believed and the name identified them a Bible believing people. Being curious, I tried the Episcopal church and am now making arrangements for my confirmation. Read all (mor ethan on epost under name Lynne). 3. The best illustration of this point can be made this way. WebMy Story of Leaving Behind Legalism and the Independent Fundamental Baptist Movement. The cult mentality of the IFB makes it very difficult to break free from that emotional bond. Pagan temples became the meetinghouses for Christians. Rome, then hired unregenerate pagan priests as Christian ministers. I just sent you a friend request. Rachael God bless you!! One of the best sources I have found concerning His nature, the Nature of Jesus, and the Holy Spirit is at the following link: Gayle Erwin does a wonderful teaching on the nature of God. It may be this passage of Scripture Paul had in mind when he said I am innocent of the blood of all men because he had taught them the whole counsel of Gods word. That is just my pointyou I fear are dedicating a almost hate site for this denomination when its no reason tovs just warning sagnist all bad behavior. Roger Williams is credited with founding the first Baptist church on American soil. In fact, I have no close friends that attend the same church as me. No tithing is not mandated, no good work is..just as no good work can save us. Blessings. The New IFB considers the modern nation of Israel to be a fraud and it also teaches that Christians rather than Jews are God's chosen people. Everyone in the colony was automatically a member of the State church and were taxed to support it. How did you leave how did it affect how others in the family treated you? 6) teach old testament tithing new testamenent giving is found in 2 Cor 9:7 Each man should give what he has decided in his heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver. Some IFB are good fellowships, some Plymouth Brethren Open) are good fellowships..etc. I, for one, am glad you wont post here again after that comment, but I hope you will at least read this, although Im not holding my breath. I appreciate your response, I am especially glad to hear that your mother has returned to the church. However, tithing has nothing to do with your Salvation One of the last acts of the Presbyterians, before the Long Parliament in England fell, was to past a law passing the death penalty on anyone who was caught holding to what they called Eight Errors in Doctrine. These doctrines included infant baptism. But the police proceeded to arrest them and throw them in jail. Really!! After Jesus preached, He then told Simon to launch out into the deep for a great haul of fish. Even some TV evangelists have referred to themselves as being fundamentalist. His resources are free from this sight. Not because of how we dress but by who we are. Further, they reject so-called scriptures of modern day so called prophets. It originally applied through the 1700s to Lutherans, and Anglicans. 7. than we pray that they will get right with God Thanks but addressed all points. Dress codes are not the problems. So, I guess we are not all as rigid as one would believe from some comments. The New IFB does not consider itself to be a denomination. It is a historic fact the first Baptist church in America was founded by another Baptist congregation. My desk is as cluttered as my mind. You are truly blind and I hope that you will one day see more clearly. As many theologians saywe can agree to disagree on some things but when it comes to the Fundamental of the Christian Faithbased on by the way what God says in the Word, then thats when one should draw the line b/c its no longer a matter of Christians in various fellowships & preferances that are allowable but then becomes a matter of even being a Christian at all (like Mormonisn, Jehovahs Wittness, Catholics, etc). (See Acts 20:28, Hebrews 13:7). They were a New Testament church, not because of a succession of churches or men, but because they formed their church on the principles of the New Testament. He spoke aganist them leaving the others things undone. The New IFB is strongly opposed to homosexuality, with several pastors advocating the belief that homosexuals should be executed by the government. I dont know what a right church looks like. I understand all that. In fact, no church on earth can make that claim. What I want to know is this typical of someone raised IFB or am I crazy? It is not the name or the organization that makes a Biblical church, but its practice of the faith as revealed in the New Testament. They are guilty of not holding the Head, the Lord Jesus Christ. It is in fact Gods Word in 17th century english. [4][5], A split in the New IFB occurred in January 2019, after Donnie Romero, pastor at Stedfast Baptist Church-Fort Worth (SBC), resigned after it was revealed he had hired prostitutes, smoked marijuana and gambled. So after having several inches of rain flood our garage at 10pm Saturday night and again at 6pm last night, Russ and I went on a mission to diagnose the problem. I believe the following is an accurate list of Fundamentals, but if anyone sees erro please inform us & esp with Scripture. How did you leave the Independent Fundamental Baptist cult? There were other factors, such as the show business aspects of the preaching as well as the powertripping that actually planted my difficulties to begin with. It helped start the first Baptist church in Philadelphia the following year. The Puritans did not believe in such things and they drove him from their colony. , Oak Harbor, Washington 98277) Under the Roman Catholic influence these missionary centers diverged into monasticism. If other will share. Thanks for your response. Oopsin 1st paragraphh in one sentence I actually meant something more like this: the Law is fullfillednow we can truly do good works that are pleasing to the Lord for the sins are washed away with & following the Law to make us right, which it never could but only point to our need for redemption, is fullfilled. He did not belong to, nor was part of the any ekklesia. Yes he baptized, but His baptism was the baptism of repentance (Matt. The pastor followed up with me with a long phone call, and that is when we began to discuss the baptism issue, he was very cordial and we simply agreed to disagree, which is probably what you and I will have to do. The God knows if he ever accepted Jesus Christ as his Saviour. The pastors wife ran much of the church, and she had a serious bitter tongue; she would pick on the weaker people in the church. -How do you determine whether or not a church teaches or practices false doctrine? After completing his college education, Pastor Scott McFeters came back to GPBC in 2012, where he first served as an intern, and then joined the church staff as Assistant Pastor. Salvation: It is by grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone. He tells us all the time he can tell we are believers because we are different in how we treat him and others in our neighborhood. http://www.nakedpastor.com/2011/01/27/total-unaccountable-power/. The New Testament teaches the absolute autonomy of each local church who is to govern itself as the Word of God instructs free from outside authority and control. Secondly, they believe in a clergy/laity distinction by ordaining so-called Pastors. This is not found in scripture. I am the daughter of an IFB missionary/evangelist, sister of an IFB pastor, and granddaughter of an IFB pastor. [9][10] On the weekend of the third anniversary of the shooting, the New IFB held a "Make America Straight Again" conference at an Orlando-area New IFB church. My study of the word psalms is that it includes singing with a musical instrument. I certainly need Gods help to do the things He has asked me to do. Thomas Jefferson is believed to have been deeply influenced to press for religious freedom in American, by the plight of several Baptist preachers he knew. I commented that some of the teen girls were dressed entirely innappropriately with tiny shorts, which were very immodest, so there certainly should be a standard for modesty. Often, when we arrived home after the service my wife would burst into tears, when I asked what was wrong, the answer was always the same: how the pastors wife had verbally attacked her. What gets my goat on this style of preaching is that as much as these baptists act as though they follow nothing but the scripture, it seems they dont read it or study it much. Thank you for writing back. Dont misunderstand, I believe we are to preach and testify, but, from what I understand no ones blood will be on my hands if they wind up in Hell. For example, we had Dish installed in our home a few weeks ago. Today the name Baptist is used by many churches who are not truly following the teachings of the New Testament. I have to chuckle every time I think about a comment our former IFB pastor said about lifestyle evangelism as he puts it. My sister and I truly believe we grew up in a cult. The Official Independent Baptist Rulebook, Known in Some Churches as Church Standards. 1 Peter 3:16, Having a good conscience; that, whereas they speak evil of you, as of evildoers, they may be ashamed that falsely accuse your good conversation in Christ. You Might Be an Independent Fundamental Baptist if, Broad Stroking and Sweeping Generalizations Fallacy, Harold Camping Fails to Predict the Rapture, The 10 Commandments of the Independent Fundamental Baptists, 92-Year-Old Woman Kicked Out of Church for not Tithing. We use our monetary resources alone. We are so happy that we left the IFB cult and our relationship with Christ is so much more genuine and heartfelt. No words could console. Well last night the first speaker, spoke on Hell, he said not many preach on Hell anymore (yea, right!) Clearly, he was banished because he believed in religious freedom and believed and taught the New Testament was a believers sole source for his faith and practice. They direct their own affairs under the authority of the New Testament Scriptures, free from the outside interference. We never shun people who leave the church. Then about 4 months later received a letter from the pastor. The IFB prides itself on being Independent and separated from ALL that they perceive to be worldly (which is just about everything). 401 S. Howell St., Chattanooga, TN 37412. (David Benedict, A General History of the Baptist Denomination in American, and Other Parts of the World, London: Lincoln and Edmands, Nr. To only teach from the New Testament and ignoring the old is not using the whole Word of God. Its nothing personal, just logic. She eventually left because my uncle (divorced numerous times himself), rode her case about it. Anyway at least once a year we set up a tent and have an old-fashioned revival. The Independent Baptist church has a congregational form of government with each member having the right of the vote and all the affairs of the churches are conducted by the local congregation following the guidelines of the New Testament. All are welcome to participate. 3) tell you what to wear (John the Baptist probably wouldnt be allowed in most IFB churches [6] Adam Fannin, the lead preacher at SBC's Jacksonville satellite campus, refused to acknowledge the authority of Jonathan Shelley, another Texas New IFB pastor who took over SBCFort Worth following Romero's resignation. From there, entering into an IFB church really gave me a culture shock. Bob So true, the subject that I simply couldnt justify (there were several) with my old fundy churchs teaching with scripture, was tithing. I would mostly be concerned about #1 more than any other. I am a musician, so really wouldnt be very content in a church where I couldnt play an instrument and never did go there, except to attend her funeral. They have a 1st Amendment right to speak their mind, but that doesnt mean shouting down a preacher at a military funeral. We left the IFB church earlier this year. Most of the Anabaptists successors became the Mennonites, Amish and Quakers. Unfortunately, the Hi guys! Ive told bits and pieces of my story here over the last couple of years, so dont want to travel back through all of that, suffice it to say I left a very legalistic IFB, and now find myself in a tiny, new work that a friend started about 4 years ago (about 20 on Sunday) he calls it a Baptist church, I spoke to him about taking the baptist title out of it, but he wouldnt have it. We are told how to dress as a women, how our girls are to dress, and even what schooling they should have. The more and more that I looked into it and studied the scripture, I realized not only were they wrong they were *completely* wrong about tithing, in fact, they didnt have a clue, and this was the standard teaching throughout the IFB. It was my burden since then that it seems Jesus wants to gather His flock, but the Wolf in Sheeps Clothing really scattered the sheep resulting to lots of denominations. They were in fact churches founded on the same New Testament principles that modern day Baptists traditionally founded their churches. Lynne, 4. In his writings he appears ignorant of the practices of the Roman Church and never refers to church councils, creeds, traditions or even to the existence of a pope. I myself wear pants and outside of church most of the other women do too. 5. Steve February 4, 2016 Leaving the IFB 12 Comments I The New Testament teaches the absolute autonomy of each local church who is to govern itself as the Word of God instructs free from outside authority and control. Ive become weary of those labels, and the Baptist one carries alot of baggage now. 14Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from hell. Proverbs 23:13-14 see how silly that way of using scripture is? Thank you so much for this post. Ive read the comments and the posts. 3:8-13) are appointed from the local congregation and approved by the majority vote. I wanted something different. True, New Testament churches strongly believe that all doctrinal error is sin as the New Testament teaches. What do you mean by Fundamentalism? Its is true that many Baptists left the ranks of Protestant churches which were doctrinal unsound and apostate.

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